Justin and Jason discuss the Cybertruck debacle, why Justin is moving to a mountain hideaway, Jason's plans for taking the Math Academy software to the next level, the importance of engaging in R&D even if most of what's developed is thrown away, the Avie Tevanian Oral History, the brilliance of John von Neumann and the potential of the human race, the Legion rap battle, the Shelby American documentary, how any design that's too radical is almost always rejected, the NeXT Computer story, how Jason uses emotion as a guide for context switching, and the modern technology that has eliminated a go-to plot device.   

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