Daisy and Francis are joined by Jad Esber, founder and CEO of Koodos Labs, a product and research company focused on the next generation of the internet. Koodos Labs is the creator of Shelf.Shelf: www.shelf.imJad: https://x.com/Jad_AE00:00 Night Life02:20 Daisy smells like a donut08:33 Inverting the internet's personal data model14:47 Understanding the concept of data gravity19:56 The algorithms influence on interpersonal relationships30:53 Shelf: Your aggregator for taste39:00 The difficulties of tracking physical media consumption44:01 Connecting through shared media consumption50:40 The balance of friction and meaningful engagementOur intro song, Night Life, is written by Nakisso Peralta and performed by Chillers.

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