This is Part 3 of our series of podcasts which steer away from our usual format to focus on the subject of caring, compassionate, empathetic and kind leadership. We are delighted to bring back snapshots of our discussion with Ronald Duren, Jr. and Gaj Ravichandra, who, through their illustrious careers inspire their clients and students to embrace life with the same enthusiasm and adaptability as demonstrated throughout their own lives.  The idea of Leadership is simple, less so is delivering it. In our next book, Who Cares Wins, we have asked prestigious contributors to share their knowledge, experiences and expertise in addressing the challenges of 21st-century leadership. Some of the authors have already voiced their thoughts in our Talking Toughness podcast series. We are taking a look back on their insights into the challenges and guidance on how to face the current leadership issues to enable individuals and organisations to flourish.   "You don't know what you are capable of yet. Once you start, you do something, wow - I can't believe I've just did that! And then you think....what else can I do?" "Self-believe needs to be built and closely relate to confidence." - Ronald Duren, Jr. "We are looking at human resources as a talent, and therefore we need to address them in a way that actually resonates for them. On their own values and personal empathy journey, so they can feel the sense of connection to leadership." - Gaj Ravichandra 

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