I am really proud that we have reached 20 episodes of this podcast and am very pleased that it is an interview with Jennie Seed, Deputy Headteacher at Carnoustie High School. Jennie is a classic example of someone meeting Jaz Ampaw Farr's challenge to us to be 10% braver.Jennie is someone who has been prepared to learn from all sorts of experience, in practice, in reading and through learning from other people and then make the effort to translate that learning into meaningful change.Jennie is someone who has overcome her own modesty and humility to become a leader, not because it would make a difference for her, but because it would make a difference for young people and for colleagues, She has a remarkable ability to bring together all of her learning and her personal awareness and experience and translate all of that into effective communication with colleagues. She is also someone with great natural insight. She understands the importance of getting the culture right and of winning hearts and minds.As a result, the schools that she has worked in have made changes and made them successfully. She has excellent evidence that secondary schools can have a more caring, committed approach and still maintain an effective climate for learning. That flies in the face of a lot of the criticism that is widespread in Scotland of the alleged commitment to inclusion, positive relationships and more restorative practice. These approaches can be successful but they need to be based on respect and support for staff, thorough and sustained training, a willingness to listen, reflect and learn and make changes to the approach when necessary.Helpfully, Jennie can talk about transition in two  very different schools. It makes for a quietly inspirational conversationJennie makes some great linksPaul Dix -https://www.pauldix.org/Nadine Burke Harris - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nadine_Burke_HarrisDarren McGarvey - https://darrenmcgarvey.com/Chris Kilkenny - https://x.com/KilkennyChris?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthorhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5hP0S0v8DEGabor Maté - https://drgabormate.com/Nicky Murray - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGLGuco-L_gMark Finnis - https://www.linkedin.com/in/mark-finnis-46663414/?originalSubdomain=ukhttps://l30relationalsystems.co.uk/services/education/This episode is a treasure trove!!

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