James and I talked to Matthias Steiner for the fourth episode in our second season. He took to the SAP Community blogs to defend low-code/no-code (and later reiterated at diginomica), and we took notice. We’d been fans previously because of his influence on the various cloud platform gyrations at SAP, and of course because he’s a willing Twitter prognosticator. We dove in on low/no-code and other platform things, for a great time. Highlights17 years at SAP — 10ish as software architect for SAP customer development, rest in the SAP Cloud Platform/BTP spaceNow Chief Product Officer at Neptune Software, doing all kinds of low-code shenanigansThe triathlete in his business attireprefers “rapid app development” to “low/no code” as a descriptor of the modern tool evolutionNobody says “Yes!” to the question “Is your IT department delivering all the apps your business needs to go forward?”Says — and we agree — SAP is best at the boring-but-hard stuff.NOT a blockchain guy. :)Believes it’s all about culture. We agree.Money QuotesMatthias“Platform” means you need to see MANY people benefit from it. Where are the partner stories? IT needs to change from being the one that delivers to the one that empowers.JamesAmazing developers can go in and build apps, but if you look at it from a budget perspective…[after a project cycle] what do we have? Fairly pretty CRUD applications. Look at all we’ve left on the table.PaulAs a business user, you should not want code, you should want applications.

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