57: Lisa Keefauver - Holding Space and Bearing Witness "I think we are craving in our pain a way to feel less alone. And sometimes that can't come from the people closest to us because they're in pain too." CW Rape Our guest this week, Lisa Keefauver, is a grief and empathy expert. In this extraordinarily tender and moving podcast Lisa talks to Julian about her career and her life which have led her to her current work now, educating people on how to be there for those in grief, and how as a society we can better accommodate those who are grieving. Follow Survival of the Kindest on Twitter, Instagram and subscribe on Apple, Spotify or wherever you like to listen to get our episodes as they are released. Email us on [email protected]

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