On this episode of SunSpots, Valerie talks with the Rev. Charlie Smith, the Interim Presbytery Pastor for Indian Nations Presbytery. As a second career pastor, Charlie has served congregations all over the country. They talk about the difference between congregational and mid-council ministry, their Enneagram numbers, and some of the most exciting things coming out of central Oklahoma. For Valerie, this conversation was so much fun and they even talked aobut the importance of fun. You're gonna want to listenIndian Nations Presbyterywww.okinp.org 

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