Is it better to practice difficult things by making them easier, or by reducing the consequences of failure?
Stephan Kesting is known among jiujitsu practitioners as a prolific creator of video instructionals. However, he is also a firefighter and an avid outdoorsman who has completed numerous solo canoe treks in the Canadian wilderness. For his most recent trip he had to be dropped off by float plane, and he was truly on his own in the subarctic for weeks. We talk about this trip, training to do difficult things, overcoming a life-threatening health condition, his first solo canoe adventure, finding a space to work through grief, what it’s like to be alone in the wilderness, and his soon to be released book, Perseverance. Other topics include how to put together a repair kit, communications strategies for remote areas, being picky about who you travel with, whether and how to share your experiences, and why he seems to be drawn to dangerous activities.

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