What does it mean to divest in police? Paige Fernandez, policing policy advisor for national ACLU, joins the podcast to talk about how we change the police by shrinking their size, scope, and power and why reform didn't work.

Defunding the police will actually make us safer
By Paige Fernandez, ACLU
https://www.aclu.org/news/criminal-law-reform/defunding-the-police-will-actually-make-us-safer/

Curtailing the enforcers of white supremacy
By Reggie Shuford, ACLU-PA
https://www.aclupa.org/en/news/curtailing-enforcers-white-supremacy

Tell Congress to stop funding local police departments and to stop providing them with military equipment: https://action.aclu.org/send-message/congress-end-police-militarization-and-over-policing-our-communities-now?ms=wwwactionpage&initms=wwwactionpage&ms_aff=NAT&initms_aff=NAT&ms_chan=web&initms_chan=web

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