In this episode of Sense-Making in a Changing World it is my delight to share with you this conversation with Juan Jose Lugo Bernal from Quito, Ecuador from Pangea Regenera.  Juan and I met through the Ecoversities program of Re-imagining Higher Education . He recently recorded an interview with me about my work - you can listen here - and we then recorded this conversation about his- the courage it took to shift from being an engineer to a life in permaculture- his permaculture program at the public hospital - with garden time prescribed by the doctors- his emergent skill in dowsing and intuitive designI think Juan's story is so powerful - expressing the doubts and fears many of us have felt at some time in our lives - and the possibilities to chose a different reality and work with deep purpose and joy.I hope you enjoy this episode. I loved chatting with Juan. Don't forget you can pop over to the podcast youtube channel to watch this conversation too. ________________________________Download this list of 10 of Morag's favourite books.Morag's 4 part introduction to permaculture video series.________________________________FIND OUT MORE ABOUT MORAG'S PERMACULTURE PROGRAMSExplore the many free permaculture resources on my Our Permaculture Life Youtube channel   & blog - hundreds of films, photos, articles.Permaculture Education Institute offers an online program to help people on 6 continents become professional permaculture educators and designers. I designed the Permaculture Educators Program after being involved in permaculture for over 25 years. It is an online permaculture design certificate and permaculture teacher certificate with a global learning community and eco-business modules too.If your main interest is getting a thriving foodI'd love to hear from you. Text me here.Support the showSubscribe to this podcast, share widely, leave a comment and a 5 star review to help these stories myceliate far. Check out the Sense-Making in a Changing World podcast website & Youtube channel This podcast is hosted by Morag Gamble, founder of the Permaculture Education Institute - the leading-edge international online school for integrated permaculture design, education, leadership and [pr]activism.⁠ Explore Morag Gamble's Permaculture Educators Program Morag also shares conversations through Our Permaculture Life YouTube and the Festival of Wild Ideas.This podcast is broadcast from a solar powered studio in the midst of a permaculture ecovillage on Jinibara & Gubbi Gubbi country.

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