In this episode of Semaphore Uncut, we talk to Vuk Gojnic. Vuk is Squad Lead for container and cloud-native engine at Deutsche Telekom Technik. Vuk describes how his internal engineering team is bringing Cloud Native infrastructure to the 200,000 person telecom giant. We discuss a number of technical challenges. We also address the issue of measuring the success of an internal engineering team. And we discuss the difficulty of hiring and training cloud-native specialists. Key takeaways:Cloud-native in telcos - not straightforwardKey principles for cluster management: declarative, immutableLeveraging existing IaaS using Cluster APIUsing Flux/GitOps ToolkitHow to succeed with internal engineeringLarge scale, small team using GitOpsPartnerships and education to access cloud-native talentThe road aheadAbout Semaphore UncutIn each episode of Semaphore Uncut, we invite software industry professionals to discuss the impact they are making and what excites them about the emerging technologies.

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