In this follow-up episode, Dr. Ray Self continues his important interview with Pastor Bob Levins about Pastor burnout. Pastor Bob offers some incredible Insight on why building programs can destroy a church. He also candidly speaks to pastors and lay members about necessary changes to ensure your pastor does not need to change careers. America needs its pastors like never before. Our ministers must be working effectively, not stressed or burned out, and having to quit and go back into the secular fields. Pastor Bob brings solid advice and real answers to a very tough issue.

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