We delve into the life and philosophy of Herb Kay, a man with diverse experiences ranging from being an NSA analyst, a salesman, to serving time in prison. His stint in prison, as result of bad choices during the 2008 real estate collapse, helped him experience people with underprivileged backgrounds and shaped his views on issues such as gun control, mass incarceration, other societal issues and inspired him to conceive 'The 1964 Plan'.Herb claims his political approach transcends party lines and addresses societal problems like the breakup of the nuclear family, the war on drugs and the welfare state. He claims government welfare implementation replaced familial support leading to poverty more permanent than temporary.He decided to call his plan 'The 1964 Plan' to refer to Lyndon B. Johnson's Great Society program which Herb claims had good intentions but institutionalized poverty across generations. The plan also talks about the importance of involvement of fathers - traditionally providing discipline and setting boundaries contrasted with the nurturing role mothers play. Kay also emphasizes the impact on child development including lessons like deferred gratification. Herb also believes that women were happier before the sexual revolution.Our discussion burns hot at times as Herb defends his ideas and his plan. How is it not just warmed over conservative 'hate the poor' with a dash of misogyny? After the interview our host, Doug, offers some final thoughts.Show Notes01:45 Prison is just an extension of the welfare state08:16 Destruction of the Nuclear Family - Fatherlessness13:03 Women unhappy since the sexual revolution19:32 Equality of the sexes is a myth24:47 The problem with progressives27:43 Prison Reform31:12 Welfare shouldn't be a federal program - leave it to the states38:51 Drug Legalization41:12 Doug's EpilogueSend us a textSupport the showSubscribe to our free newsletterCheck out our MerchFollow us on BlueskyFind us on Twitter(for now) Find us on InstagramFind us on Counter SocialFind us on Mastadon

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