In this heartfelt conversation with Amanda Gellman (a lifelong community builder, nonprofit leader, and passionate advocate for the arts), Joe explores what it really means to serve. They dig into Amanda’s journey from Newfoundland to Windsor, and the winding path that led her to revitalize a downtown film center in Windsor, ON. From mental health to human trafficking, from economic revitalization to art as activism, this episode is a reminder that sometimes the best outcomes come from the plans that don’t work out.

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