In this episode, I have the honor of interviewing an old friend, Jason Spadafore.  His bio reads:  Writing under the pen name "Agostino Taumaturgo," Jason Spadafore has been a student of Christian spirituality and magic for almost 30 years, specializing in theology and what he calls "Catholic Occultism."  Jason now writes, teaches, and lectures on spirituality, magic, and manifestation within a Christian paradigm. This is a candid discussion of two people whose paths initially crossed back in 2005.  We talk about the Traditionalist Catholic movement, sede vacantism, some of our shared experiences, and of course the independent sacramental movement. You can find more about Jason's writings and work at his website: THAVMA is dedicated to the serious Christian magician

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