What if you could double your conversions just by asking smarter questions?This week on SaaS Fuel, Jeff Mains sits down with Chris Dayley, founder of Smart CRO and neuro-marketing expert, to dig deep into how psychology-based testing drives better conversions. Chris shares why most A/B tests fail, the real reason copycat tactics don’t work, and how you can optimize for outcomes—not just aesthetics.You’ll learn how to run smarter experiments, structure content for maximum impact, and why removing content can outperform adding more. Whether you’re early-stage or scaling fast, this episode is packed with practical insights that will help you convert more, guess less, and scale smarter.Key Takeaways00:00 – Early-stage testing: Why slow tests are still valuable02:03 – Why CRO is NOT about copy-paste tactics02:32 – Aim for 10%+ test impact, not 1% tweaks03:03 – AI in CRO: Use it, but don’t rely on it04:10 – Meet Chris Dayley: Neuro-marketer & CRO expert05:01 – What is neuro-marketing?08:43 – The #1 CRO mistake: Building from assumptions10:52 – Gut vs data: Why founders miss the mark14:03 – Copycat optimization is a losing game17:00 – B2B vs B2C behavioral differences21:14 – Testing with low traffic? Here’s what to do24:45 – Content hierarchy and CRO: What to keep, what to kill30:55 – What makes a good test? Hint: not button colors36:03 – CRO templates, myths, and shortcuts to avoid44:45 – AI personalization, chatbots, and evolving expectations51:07 – Why 1% gains don’t mean much for small companies53:04 – Remove friction. Make conversion easier.Tweetable Quotes“If you only test fast, you’re testing wrong. Great data takes time.” — Chris Dayley“The best CRO isn’t about flashy buttons. It’s about how people think.” — Chris Dayley“You’re not Amazon. Stop copying their CRO strategy.” — Jeff Mains“Conversion starts with one question: What do they really want right now?” — Chris Dayley“A pretty site doesn’t pay the bills. One that converts does.” — Jeff Mains“Your gut is not a marketing strategy. Data is.” — Chris DayleySaaS Leadership LessonsDon’t rush testing—data over speed. Even if your traffic is low, long-running A/B tests are better than guesswork.Copying competitors is a trap. Their site may be under test, built on assumptions, or not even working for them.Design doesn’t convert—psychology does. CRO should be rooted in how people think, not how sites look.Small businesses shouldn’t chase 1% lifts. Focus on big wins (10%+) that actually move the needle.Remove content to boost performance. Simpler, faster sites often outperform flashy designs.Content hierarchy matters. Prioritize what users care about most—and test your assumptions ruthlessly.Guest ResourcesEmail - [email protected] - http://www.smart-cro.com/LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisdayley/Episode SponsorSmall Fish, Big Pond – 

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