Dr. Saran Heron talks with Claudia Rowe, who has been writing about the hallways where kids and government clash for more than 30 years. Rowe has also written for The New York Times, Mother Jones, and Amazon Original Stories. She is a member of the editorial board at The Seattle Times, where she writes about foster care, juvenile justice, and public education.  She shares her experiences as a journalist, data, and real experiences about foster care and explains how we can make a difference despite the predictions and continue to have hope.

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