When you were in elementary school and you were learning about George Washington and the American Revolution, it all seemed like it was all gonna go really well. They were gonna win, obviously, and it was in no way obvious and it was super messy. There was a political mess. There was family mess, there was economic mess. It just gets to be so complicated so quickly.In this episode of Revolution Revisited, host Maggie explores the perilous landscape of loyalty in revolutionary Virginia, a world where the choice between Crown and Colony could cost you everything. Through the voices of enslaved people seeking freedom behind British lines, Quakers standing firm in pacifism, and women navigating survival in the political crossfire, Maggie reveals that allegiance was rarely absolute. What emerges is a portrait of ordinary Virginians forced to choose between principle and preservation, and the quiet courage it took to survive a revolution that demanded sides.Inside the Episode:Inside this episode of Revolution Revisited, Maggie explores the gray zones of allegiance to show how “Patriot” and “Loyalist” identities were far more fluid than most history books suggest. She follows stories like Mary Willing Bird, accused of treason after British forces arrived at her doorstep and seized her property; Harry Washington, an enslaved man who sought freedom through the British lines; and Robert Pleasence, a Quaker whose pacifist convictions put him at odds with both sides. Alongside curators Andy Talkov and Christina Vita, Maggie unpacks how class, geography, race, and religion intertwined to shape what loyalty meant in a fractured world. Drawing from letters, court cases, and firsthand accounts, this episode asks what it truly means to stand by your beliefs when every choice carries consequences and whether neutrality was ever really possible during a revolution.TIMESTAMPS:00:00 Introduction to shifting allegiances00:35 Why choosing a side was risky and uncertain02:22 Introducing historians Andy Talkov and Christina Vita03:03 The dangers of being a loyalist in Virginia05:16 Patriot leadership and rising pressure in the mid-1770s06:03 Dunmore’s Proclamation and the promise of freedom06:37 Rethinking “Black Loyalists” and motivations for escape07:24 Harry Washington and the search for liberty10:58 The Book of Negroes and journeys to Nova Scotia12:27 Merchants, economics, and the cost of allegiance14:15 Hardin Burnley Jr.’s loyalism and confiscated property15:05 John Wickham’s capture, house arrest, and shifting loyalties16:41 Wickham’s escape, British enlistment, and postwar career19:12 Punishments, retribution, and the limits of community trust21:15 Shadrach Furman and violent reprisals22:48 Mary Willing Byrd accused of trading with the enemy24:59 Gender, suspicion, and navigating neutrality25:59 Quaker pacifism and refusal to take sides27:25 Robert Pleasance, abolition, and protecting his sons28:40 Quaker exile, imprisonment, and moral conviction30:02 Pleasance’s contradictions and the fight for manumission31:28 Black Loyalists in Canada and fragile new beginnings32:54 Virginia’s 1782 manumission law and its impact34:20 Allegiance shaped by survival, circumstance, and identity35:30 Understanding complexity beyond patriots vs. loyalists37:00 Exhibition preview and continuing the storyRELATED CONTENT:Virginia Museum of History & CultureRevolution Revisited PodcastFinding FreedomNorfolk to Nova Scotia Judith Jackson's Crooked Road to FreedomVirginia Society for Promoting the Abolition of SlaveryThe Tory's Wife: A Woman and Her Family in Revolutionary AmericaBenedict Arnold"Liberty to Slaves" FrockMary Willing Byrd

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