One of the confusing things about addiction is that the addict seems to be voluntarily choosing things that are really hurtful - not just for the addict, but for the people they care most about. The same confusion comes up when we see the executives of addiction-based companies voluntarily making choices that harm their customers. Why? We ask ourselves. How could they act that way?  When we speak to the addict, or to the executive, they seem like ordinary people, not monsters. We can dispel some of our confusion, oddly enough, by asking another question: "Why did the chicken cross the road?"In this podcast Deep Divers Mark and Jenna talk about the difference between proximate and ultimate causes, and (as usual) conclude with a message of hope.

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