We are joined on this ReCast episode by Rich Robinson, Rich is the founder of Catalyse Change, an author and spiritual entrepreneur.  Rich joins Lisa and Glenn to talk about his chapter in the recent book Red Skies looking at leadership in the church into the future. 
You can order Red Skies from most book shops, you can get it in bulk from the Mx organisation here and you can also get the e-book from them.

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