In this conversation, Jeff and Steve reflect on the shifting cultural climate in America—especially the growing polarization and the ways politics and faith are often intertwined. They begin by acknowledging their own limitations in fully grasping all that’s happening, yet they share observations from their lifetimes: the loss of decorum in dialogue, the struggle to hold paradox, and the troubling trend of “Christian” becoming more of an adjective than a noun. While they affirm their love for America and honor those who serve in politics, they also express concern about the dangers of conflating politics with Christianity. Ultimately, they point to the Gospel as the true priority and remind us of the call in Hebrews 13:16: “Do good and share”—perhaps the greatest impact we can have in such divided times.

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