It's time for a candy cane level unScripted podcast with Kirby Hasseman and Bill Petrie! Today they talk - well, argue - about corruption in the promotional products industry and the use of the term, "swag," knowing how to handle conflicts of interests when serving on a board, the necessary return of empathy in marketing, changing bad habits, Bill reveals his Promo Person (or, in this case, People) of the Week, and so much more!

Huge thanks to our friends at Vault Promotions and Tervis for their sponsorship and support!

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