Can art actually change someone's life? On today's episode, artist and social worker El Chen sits down with Tim & Abigail to discuss her unique journey in pursuit of meaningful creative endeavors - an adventure that has taken her from China to the United States, behind prison bars, and even within police ranks. Central to El's approach is embracing progress and imperfection - speaking in drafts instead of polished, sanitized statements. How can you be authentic in a world that demands tangible results for intangible growth? 

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