Justin and Stephen revisit the issue of abled-ness being temporary, and then discuss what Justin has recently learned about Minnesota’s troubling history with the Dakota people. They are joined by Jon Lundberg to talk about his process of coming to understand what it means to be white, including time he spent working with Dr. John M. Perkins. They also discuss the challenges of having good conversations about race and whiteness, especially with other white people. More resources at profsinrooms.com To donate to production costs, visit profsinrooms.com. Resources from this episode: • The United States-Dakota War Trials: A Study in Military Injustice article by Carol Chomsky • Being White (IVP Book) by Harris and Schaupp
Regular Theme Music by Josiah Enns. Photo by Preston Goff on Unsplash This episode was recorded on the land of the Wahpekute, Anishinabewaki, and the Očeti Šakówiŋ (Sioux). Editing Assistant for this episode: Linsey Zell

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