Zane interviews Jack about how COVID-19 is impacting perceptions of politics in the present and how it might change the future. Jack discusses how the pandemic response has the potential to push back against the standard negativity bias that underlies the pothole problem and bring greater balance to people's perceptions of politicians and the government, and he speculates about how broadly and permanently the pandemic will change Americans' views of politics, governance, and themselves.This episode also features, "Stickin' It To the Man," written and performed by Greg Weinger and originally aired with Episode 1 of this podcast.

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