This week, Nathan and Haeny sit down with Dr. Jacqueline Simmons and Dr. Sarah Gerth van den Berg of the Black Paint Curriculum Lab at Teachers College, Columbia University to talk about their new podcast, Curriculum Encounters! They have an expansive, some might even say playful, approach to curriculum design. They ask us to think about the curriculum of all kinds of spaces and activities, beyond formalized plans for school lessons.Curriculum Encounters is coming out February 27, 2025! Subscribe now on Apple, Spotify, or anywhere you listen, and learn more on their website. Please take our listener survey! We could really use your insight and opinions, and we want to hear your ideas for Pop Off topics and future guests! Access a transcript here. To learn about our guests, and more, visit our website. Our music is selections from Leafeaters by Podington Bear, Licensed under CC (BY-NC) 3.0.Pop and Play is produced by the Digital Futures Institute at Teachers College, Columbia University. The views expressed in this episode are solely those of the speaker to whom they are attributed. They do not necessarily reflect the views of the faculty, administration, staff or Trustees either of Teachers College or of Columbia University. 

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