This week Claire and Lisa discuss being massage-shamed and how they really just want masseuses to shut up and rub their backs. They talk covid-clothing and why bras are coming off all over the world, the joy of clean bedclothes, why women should never have to apologise for looking like themselves when men never do, and they ask, is Will Smith's marriage to Jada Pinkett Smith the most intriguing in Hollywood? They also chat about TV shows they're watching in Culture Club, how long a sleep-in is acceptable (by science) and who knew, but Claire's been sleeping with Harry Styles, so that's nice. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information. Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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