*Trigger warning*There is a lot of talk about trauma in this interview. We don’t get too graphic at any point, but I am nevertheless conscious that discussions like these can be difficult for people. I want to make sure everyone listening and watching is given the opportunity to avoid this one or press pause at points to reflect and practice self-care.The word 'trauma' as it is used today in mainstream and academic discourse may not appear in Jacques Ellul’s writing, but his life and work are marked by it. His experiences during the first and second world wars; the stress of the Cold War; his work with marginal youth; and the devastating loss of one of his children, hang over his biography, writing, and activism like an ominous cloud. Strangely, and definitely not to be romanticized, this cloud of trauma prompted Ellul to prophetically read the signs of his times, and as a part of the work, earnestly seek a theology and practice of hope in apparently hopeless circumstances.So, I was thrilled to have Katie Cross join me for a conversation about her recent lecture series: Hope in a Traumatized World. As the title of the series suggests, Katie’s work focuses on theologies of trauma, suffering, and division, which, in numerous ways, converges with numerous themes in Ellul’s works.And with all that said, I hope what we talk about offers you at least a little bit of hope in what can often seem like a hopeless world.BioDr. Katie Cross holds the post of Christ’s College Lecturer in Practical Theology. Her work and teaching is centred around theologies of trauma, suffering, and division. Her first book was a theological engagement with the Sunday Assembly, a "godless congregation," and she has also co-edited two volumes on trauma theology (Feminist Trauma Theologies and Bearing Witness, both with SCM Press). Her current research explores the beliefs, practices, and traumas of Christians who have left the church. She is an active qualitative researcher and she regularly share my research in public forums.LinksBlueSky: @drkatiecross.bsky.socialFeminist Trauma Theologies: https://scmpress.hymnsam.co.uk/books/9780334058724/feminist-trauma-theologiesBearing Witness: https://scmpress.hymnsam.co.uk/books/9780334061175/bearing-witness#Thoughtsandprayers: A Theology of Social Media Crisis Interaction and Mental Health: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/23312521.2024.2441431The Sunday Assembly and Theologies of Suffering: https://www.routledge.com/The-Sunday-Assembly-and-Theologies-of-Suffering/Cross/p/book/9780367535650?srsltid=AfmBOopb_3lCTifh6f8cDdSta4CHJ6fhOvaJPm_XPM41qo8cK_adVlu7Additional resourcesLucy Bond and Stef Craps, Trauma: https://www.routledge.com/Trauma/Bond-Craps/p/book/9780415540421?srsltid=AfmBOop4Z23zpmtBz3DjLoCAKSIKXvoHPOCi1DJdAIJqPCgbOdaQ7s4eShelly Rambo, Resurrecting Wounds: https://www.baylorpress.com/9781481306799/resurrecting-wounds/Forensic Architecture: https://forensic-architecture.org/programme/publicationsFlorida school shooting students told to wear clear backpacks: https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-43499045

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