In this episode, Patrick sits down with Heather Daugherty to discuss her journey in the ministry, her experience working with college students, and the challenges she has faced as a female pastor. Heather also shares insights from her background in the Church of the Nazarene, her forthcoming ordination in the Episcopal Church, and the importance of the church as a multi-generational community. They also share about the significance of proximity in fostering empathy, the role of the church in modern society, and more. 

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