In this episode, we explore the tense and dramatic scene of Jesus before Pilate in John 19:8-16. Clint and Michael unpack Pilate’s internal struggle, the religious leaders' shocking declaration of loyalty to Caesar, and the complex political and spiritual dynamics at play. This is not just a story of trial and execution—it's a collision of empires, egos, and eternal purposes. We examine how fear, self-preservation, and power lead each character to play their part in Jesus’s crucifixion, and how, even in apparent weakness, Jesus remains firmly in control. From subtle literary cues to jaw-dropping theological implications, this discussion brings the tension of Holy Week into sharp and thoughtful focus.





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