Rep. Sarah McBride, who represents the entire state of Delaware, joins us to talk about her experience in Congress, the stakes of the shutdown, working with her colleagues across the aisle, and her connection to Taylor Swift. It's a fabulous conversation you won't want to miss.  Ready to go deeper? Visit our website for complete show notes, exclusive premium content, chats and more. If you're not already subscribed, you can use this link to ensure you're getting our show notes, weekly newsletter, and more. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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