In this podcast episode, Thomas interviews Cliff Sims, a former White House staffer and author. They explore Cliff's upbringing as a pastor's kid in Mississippi, his involvement in sports, and how these experiences shaped his character. Cliff discusses the challenges of parenting, emphasizing the importance of not spoiling children and teaching them resilience. The conversation also highlights the impact of mentorship on Cliff's career, leading to his involvement in politics and the creation of Yellowhammer News. Cliff shares his journey to political consultant, culminating into his role in the Trump campaign and the White House.

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