Episode SummaryIn their new home podcast studio, Denise and Tim open up about what Veterans Day truly means — beyond the bumper stickers and well-intentioned “thank you for your service.” They explore the difference between Veterans Day and Memorial Day, the nuance of recognition versus understanding, and how storytelling keeps service experiences alive. Along the way, they reflect on Pat Tillman’s legacy at ASU, veteran benefits that miss the mark, and a powerful new film that gets it right.What We Talk AboutWhat Veterans Day honors — and what it doesn’tThe awkwardness and intent behind “thank you for your service”Pat Tillman’s story, ASU’s Salute to Service, and honoring every veteranThe importance of listening to and preserving veterans’ storiesSheepdog — a film that portrays post-service life with truth and hopeWhy understanding matters more than a single day of recognitionQuote of the Episode“I don’t want your support as much as I want your understanding.” — Tim WatersConversation StartersWhen someone thanks a veteran, what do they actually mean — and what could they ask instead?How can we preserve and share the stories of veterans in our own families or communities?What would it look like to honor service year-round, not just on Veterans Day?For educators and leaders: How might your institution balance visibility for one hero’s story with space for many others?Resources & MentionsFilms & ViewingSheepdog — A powerful drama about veterans returning home, capturing both struggle and redemption through community and therapy.Books & ReadingTribe by Sebastian Junger — Why belonging and shared purpose are critical to veterans’ reintegration.Thank You for Your Service by David Finkel — A raw, compassionate portrait of soldiers after war.Articles & Research“Pat Tillman’s Enduring Legacy and the ASU Veterans Center” — ASU News“The Science of Post-Traumatic Growth” — American Psychological AssociationTools & PracticesStory Listening — Ask open-ended questions like, “What’s one story from your service you’d be willing to share today?” It builds trust and understanding.Reflection Prompt: What’s one story from your own life of service — military or otherwise — that shaped who you are today?Connect & ReflectWe’d love to hear your story. Tag @theroughdraft and share what resonated, what helped, or who showed up for you.Mini MomentIn the glow of their new studio lights, Denise and Tim talk about how a simple phrase — “thank you for your service” — can both connect and distance people. Tim pauses, remembering the 545 days he spent away from home, and Denise leans in. They both realize that what people crave most isn’t recognition — it’s to be known.Try ThisAsk a veteran in your life one meaningful question and listen — really listen — to the answer.Support a veteran-owned business or organization this week.Write down one small act of service you can offer in your own community — then do it.

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