Knowa sits down with Karine Jean-Pierre, former White House Press Secretary and author of the new book Independent: A Look Inside a Broken White House, Outside the Party Lines. In this thoughtful conversation, Karine reflects on her years behind the podium, the state of political leadership today, and the personal cost of navigating loyalty, identity, and integrity in public life. Together, they explore what it means to speak truth from within the system — and what it takes to keep your independence when the spotlight fades.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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