"I think as a white woman in this field, there's just so much that one has to try to be mindful of. And I think holding on to this notion that I will be good is just, it's not helpful. Right? Of course, I try to do no harm. I try to be self aware. But there are layers and layers. So I do need people to reflect back. But I also need to be self reliant and responsible and not just expect other people to carry me along and explain and educate me. So I think there's a responsibility and an awareness and an alertness and a need to also just go away and reflect and regroup and sort of just try to understand. But I think, yes, the social construction of everything is the thing that that most speaks to me in this work."In this episode Angie talks to Penny Rabiger about her traumatic childhood, her rediscovery of her Jewishness and life in Israel, and her ongoing research and work in anti-racist activism.Penny Rabiger is an independent consultant. She was a primary and secondary school teacher for 10 years and has been working with schools, MATs, social enterprises, charities and start ups in the education sector since 2007. She was one of the founding directors of The Key for School Leaders, Head of Membership at Challenge Partners, and Director of Engagement with the Finnish edtech organisation, Lyfta. Penny is a school governor at a north London primary school, Trustee on a south London multi-academy trust board, member of the Haringey BAME achievement group and a co-founder of the BAMEed Network. Penny is a PhD candidate with the Centre for Race, Education and Decoloniality, a coach on the Anti-Racist School Award and develops content for our professional learning programmes.Follow Penny on Twitter - @Penny_TenConnect with Angie on her website - www.angelabrowne.co.ukA full transcript of this episode can be found at https://being-luminary.simplecast.com/episodes/in-conversation-with-penny-rabigerThis podcast was written and presented by Angie Browne. Original music was by Martin Austwick. The series is edited and produced by Big Tent Media and Emily Crosby Media.

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