Listen "#09 - No Strudelutions"
Episode Synopsis
"It isn’t obvious that the world had to work this way. But somehow the universe smiles on encryption."
hzrd149 & Gigi take a stroll along the shore of cryptographic identities.
This dialogue explores how cryptographic signatures fundamentally shift power dynamics in social networks, moving control from servers to key holders. We discuss the concept of "setting data free" through cryptographic verification, the evolving role of relays in the ecosystem, and the challenges of building trust in decentralized systems. We examine the tension between convenience and decentralization, particularly around features like private data and data synchronization. What are the philosophical foundations of building truly decentralized social networks? And how can small architectural decisions have profound implications for user autonomy and data sovereignty?
Movies mentioned:
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
Soylent Green (1973)
Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977)
Johnny Mnemonic (1995)
The Matrix (1999)
In this dialogue:
Hzrd's past conversations: Bowls With Buds 316 & 361
Running into a water hose
Little difference, big effect
Signing data moves the power to the key holders
Self-signing data sets the data free
Relay specialization
Victor's Amethyst relay guide
Encryption and decryption is expensive - is it worth it?
The magic of nostr is that stuff follows you around
What should be shown? What should be hidden?
Don't lie to users. Never show outdated data.
Nostr is raw and immediate
How quickly you get used to things working
Legacy web always tries to sell you something
Lying, lag, frustration
How NoStrudel grew
NoStrudel notifications
Data visualization and dashboards
Building in public and discussing in public
Should we remove DMs?
Nostr as a substrate for lookups
Using nostr to exchange Signal or SimpleX credentials
How private is a group chat?
Is a 500-people group chat ever private?
Pragmatism vs the engineering mindset
The beauty and simplicity of nostr
Anti-patterns in nostr
Community servers and private relays
Will vibe coding fix (some of the) things?
Small specialized components VS frameworks
Technology vs chairs (and cars, and tractors, and books)
The problem of being greedy
Competitive silos VS synergistic cooperation
Making things easy vs barriers of entry
Value4value for music and other artists
Adding code vs removing code
Pablo's Roo setup and DVMCP
Platform permission slips vs cryptographic identities
Micropayments vs Subscription Hell
PayPerQ
Setting our user-generated data free
The GNU/Linux approach and how it beat Microsoft
Agents learning automatically thanks to snippets published on nostr
Taxi drivers, GPS, and outsourcing understanding
Wizards VS vibe coders
Age differences, Siri, and Dragon Naturally Speaking
LLMs as a human interface to call tools
Natural language vs math and computer language
Natural language has to be fuzzy, because the world is fuzzy
Language and concepts as compression
Hzrd watching The Matrix (1999) for the first time
Soylent Green, 2001, Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind, Johnny Mnemonic
Are there coincidences?
Why are LLMs rising at the same time that cryptography identities are rising?
"The universe smiles at encryption"
The universe does not smile upon closed silos
The cost of applying force from the outside
Perfect copies, locality, and the concept of "the original"
Perfect memory would be a curse, not a blessing
Organic forgetting VS centralized forgetting
Forgetting and dying needs to be effortless
(it wasn't for IPFS, and they also launched a shitcoin)
Bitcoin makes is cheap to figure out what to dismiss
Would you like to have a 2nd brain?
Trust and running LLMs locally
No need for API keys
Adjacent communities: local-first, makers and hackers, etc.
Removing the character limit was a mistake
Browsing mode vs reading mode
The genius of tweets and threads
Vibe-coding and rust-multiplatform
Global solutions vs local solutions
The long-term survivability of local-first
All servers will eventually go away. Your private key won't.
It's normal to pay your breakfast with sats now
Nostr is also a normal thing now, at least for us
Hzrd's bakery
"Send Gigi a DM that says GM" - and it just works
The user is still in control, thanks to Amber
We are lacking in nostr signing solutions
Alby's permission system as a step in the right direction
We have to get better at explaining that stuff
What we do, why we care, why we think it's important
hzrd149 & Gigi take a stroll along the shore of cryptographic identities.
This dialogue explores how cryptographic signatures fundamentally shift power dynamics in social networks, moving control from servers to key holders. We discuss the concept of "setting data free" through cryptographic verification, the evolving role of relays in the ecosystem, and the challenges of building trust in decentralized systems. We examine the tension between convenience and decentralization, particularly around features like private data and data synchronization. What are the philosophical foundations of building truly decentralized social networks? And how can small architectural decisions have profound implications for user autonomy and data sovereignty?
Movies mentioned:
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
Soylent Green (1973)
Close Encounters of the Third Kind (1977)
Johnny Mnemonic (1995)
The Matrix (1999)
In this dialogue:
Hzrd's past conversations: Bowls With Buds 316 & 361
Running into a water hose
Little difference, big effect
Signing data moves the power to the key holders
Self-signing data sets the data free
Relay specialization
Victor's Amethyst relay guide
Encryption and decryption is expensive - is it worth it?
The magic of nostr is that stuff follows you around
What should be shown? What should be hidden?
Don't lie to users. Never show outdated data.
Nostr is raw and immediate
How quickly you get used to things working
Legacy web always tries to sell you something
Lying, lag, frustration
How NoStrudel grew
NoStrudel notifications
Data visualization and dashboards
Building in public and discussing in public
Should we remove DMs?
Nostr as a substrate for lookups
Using nostr to exchange Signal or SimpleX credentials
How private is a group chat?
Is a 500-people group chat ever private?
Pragmatism vs the engineering mindset
The beauty and simplicity of nostr
Anti-patterns in nostr
Community servers and private relays
Will vibe coding fix (some of the) things?
Small specialized components VS frameworks
Technology vs chairs (and cars, and tractors, and books)
The problem of being greedy
Competitive silos VS synergistic cooperation
Making things easy vs barriers of entry
Value4value for music and other artists
Adding code vs removing code
Pablo's Roo setup and DVMCP
Platform permission slips vs cryptographic identities
Micropayments vs Subscription Hell
PayPerQ
Setting our user-generated data free
The GNU/Linux approach and how it beat Microsoft
Agents learning automatically thanks to snippets published on nostr
Taxi drivers, GPS, and outsourcing understanding
Wizards VS vibe coders
Age differences, Siri, and Dragon Naturally Speaking
LLMs as a human interface to call tools
Natural language vs math and computer language
Natural language has to be fuzzy, because the world is fuzzy
Language and concepts as compression
Hzrd watching The Matrix (1999) for the first time
Soylent Green, 2001, Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind, Johnny Mnemonic
Are there coincidences?
Why are LLMs rising at the same time that cryptography identities are rising?
"The universe smiles at encryption"
The universe does not smile upon closed silos
The cost of applying force from the outside
Perfect copies, locality, and the concept of "the original"
Perfect memory would be a curse, not a blessing
Organic forgetting VS centralized forgetting
Forgetting and dying needs to be effortless
(it wasn't for IPFS, and they also launched a shitcoin)
Bitcoin makes is cheap to figure out what to dismiss
Would you like to have a 2nd brain?
Trust and running LLMs locally
No need for API keys
Adjacent communities: local-first, makers and hackers, etc.
Removing the character limit was a mistake
Browsing mode vs reading mode
The genius of tweets and threads
Vibe-coding and rust-multiplatform
Global solutions vs local solutions
The long-term survivability of local-first
All servers will eventually go away. Your private key won't.
It's normal to pay your breakfast with sats now
Nostr is also a normal thing now, at least for us
Hzrd's bakery
"Send Gigi a DM that says GM" - and it just works
The user is still in control, thanks to Amber
We are lacking in nostr signing solutions
Alby's permission system as a step in the right direction
We have to get better at explaining that stuff
What we do, why we care, why we think it's important
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