I talk with Andrew Kelley and Ginger Bill about the position of classical languages in the textual programming paradigm.We talk about what makes a programming system suited to the native computing layer, interfaces for constructing software, visual programming vs visualizations of data, alternative input devices for programming, mapping programs down to the existing C-like tool chains, places to get started with compiler construction, and more.Links:Andrew Kelley - https://andrewkelley.me/Ginger Bill - https://www.gingerbill.org/Zig - https://ziglang.org/Odin - https://odin-lang.org/Light Table - http://lighttable.com/

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