Grace and I talk about hiccups, pressure, major procrastinator, Korean American woman, urban planning, where things should go and not go, cholera epidemic, North St. Louis residents have a 67-year life expectancy, Clayton residents have an 85-year life expectancy, HUD grants, revitalize, education and health access, Mayor Robert Eastern III, St. Louis comeback, racial equity is complex, honest transparent conversation, Michael Brown, modern-day red-lining, dismantle the divide, racial inequities, layered approach, who is this all better for, what is "Han", alternative spring break, abortion ban, 2nd hand trauma and @stlfries.

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