In this insightful episode of the Made For More podcast, Ally Nitschke is joined by the dynamic and creative Joel McKerrow, a renowned Australian poet, speaker, and creative facilitator. Known fondly as the “red-headed poet guy,” Joel brings a unique blend of creativity, depth, and storytelling expertise to the conversation.Joel shares his remarkable journey from working in youth and social work to becoming a celebrated spoken word poet and keynote speaker. He opens the episode with a compelling poetic introduction that immediately sets the tone for a rich, thought-provoking dialogue.Throughout the conversation, Joel explores the transformative power of storytelling in leadership, asserting that all human behaviour is shaped by the stories we tell ourselves and those around us. He underscores the critical importance of listening as a foundational skill for effective leadership.Joel and Ally also delve into the role of creativity in leadership, with Joel cautioning against an over-dependence on artificial intelligence for creative tasks. He champions the value of facing the blank page, embracing the discomfort of self-confrontation, and finding authentic expression through creativity.Offering practical takeaways, Joel encourages leaders to engage in inner work, excavate their personal stories, and empower others to reframe and articulate their own. His passion for storytelling as a tool for connection, engagement, and transformation is evident throughout the discussion.Listeners interested in Joel’s work can connect with him via LinkedIn, Instagram, or explore further resources on joelmckerrow.com.A heartfelt thank you to Joel McKerrow for sharing his wisdom, poetic brilliance, and deep insight into how creativity and storytelling can elevate leadership and drive meaningful change.00:00:00 - Introduction to Joel McKerrow00:00:40 - Joel's Unique Approach to Poetry00:01:01 - The Invitation of the Present Moment00:02:31 - Host's Reaction to Joel's Poetry00:03:01 - Joel's Background and Journey00:04:04 - Transition from Social Work to Poetry00:05:09 - Impact of Poetry on Transformation00:06:03 - Combining Poetry with Leadership00:07:03 - The Power of Story in Leadership00:08:07 - Stories Shaping Human Behavior00:09:10 - Organizational Stories and Culture00:10:03 - Applied Narrative Intelligence00:11:05 - Internal Stories and Self-Growth00:12:03 - Importance of Listening00:13:07 - Listening to Deeper Stories00:14:10 - Plot vs. Story in Human Experience00:15:02 - Internal Listening and Self-Reflection00:16:05 - Quality of Presence in Relationships00:17:12 - Practical Tips for Better Listening00:18:15 - Intentional Presence and Deep Listening00:19:09 - Joel's Practice of Writing Weekly Poems00:20:25 - The Impact of Personalized Poems00:21:07 - Listening for Meta and Metaphor00:22:00 - Using Metaphor to Convey Depth00:23:06 - Metaphor in Organizational Vision00:24:04 - Shared Experience through Metaphor00:25:06 - Storytelling for Team Engagement00:26:00 - Visionary Leadership and Storytelling00:27:00 - Real-Life Stories in Vision Casting00:28:03 - Example of Sean Askinosie's Story00:29:01 - Transformational Power of Dark Stories00:30:03 - Joseph Campbell's Cave Metaphor00:31:07 - Authenticity in Leadership Stories00:32:04 - AI and Creativity in Leadership00:33:04 - The Risk of Over-Reliance on AI00:34:07 - Facing the Blank Page and Fear00:35:01 - The Importance of Creative Muscles00:36:04 - Authentic Human Stories for Impact00:37:09 - Unique...

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