In this conversation, Graeme and Joey discuss how there are many things we cannot quantifiably measure in the church and that we need to use judgement when consulting numbers. Much of their think is derived from "The Tyranny of Metrics" by Jerry Muller.00:00 Teaser02:20 Introduction4:00 Gen Z Christians are Growing | Bible Society UK18:10 Political Will is Gone20:00 The Tyranny of Metrics24:50 Growth through Proximity to Christ28:00 Tell Stories not Measure Stories30:00 What we easily measure is what we focus on33:10 Economic metaphors are dominate in our culture35:35 An Atheist believes churches should have more government support38:50 We are in control? NOPE!40:35 The right place for metrics45:08 We can fudge the numbers49:15 Always be engaged with the margins53:00 Death of an institution is not failure in a Christian paradigm Podcast hosts are Greame Flett, Jonathan Hoskin, and Joey Millington.The opinions expressed in this podcast are solely those of the individuals expressing and do not reflect the opinions and beliefs of any affiliated organisations or ministries.

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