How do you build a circular textile system in a country that lacks the infrastructure to collect, sort, or recycle at scale?In this deep dive conversation, Carl is joined by Rachel Kibbe, founder of American Circular Textiles and Circular Services Group, to unpack the complexities of Extended Producer Responsibility (EPR) in the U.S. and draw sharp comparisons with Europe’s more established systems.Together, they explore:The current white spots in U.S. textile collection and why Europe’s 20+ year head start mattersHow the California SB707 EPR bill could redefine circularity—if implemented with the right incentivesFee structures, eco-modulation, and the need to finance not just design, but also infrastructureThe risk of monopolization in Producer Responsibility Organizations (PROs) and what it means for innovationWhy voluntary, collaborative blueprints—like the one Carl is helping pilot in Germany—could shape future regulationThis is not just another podcast on sustainability. It’s a rare, behind-the-scenes dialogue between two people on the front lines of system change—blending entrepreneurial urgency with deep policy knowledge.If you’re working in fashion, waste management, policy, or investing in circular solutions, this episode will challenge your assumptions and offer a grounded roadmap for what real circularity looks like at scale.Contact Us This is interactive content - send us your questions to the guests and we record another session just focusing on your questions! You have suggestions for new guests or want to sponsor the show? Contact Carl via LinkedIn Thanks for listening and keep podcasting!

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