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Listen "Seeing (and Dancing) in the Dark with Rev. Otis Moss III"
Episode Synopsis
How might your life change if you paused more often to unlearn what fear has taught you?
In this episode, hosts Brian McLaren and Carmen Acevedo Butcher are joined by Rev. Dr. Otis Moss III. Together, they explore what it means to live with vision in times of struggle—when the path is unclear, but the call to truth and love remains strong. Drawing from his book Dancing in the Darkness, Dr. Moss reflects on the experience of being Black and faithful in America, and how reclaiming the radical tradition of love—rooted in justice and courage—can liberate both the oppressed and the oppressor.
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Have a question you'd like Brian or Carmen to answer about this season?
Email us: [email protected]
Send us a voicemail: cac.org/voicemail
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The transcript for this episode can be found here.
In this episode, hosts Brian McLaren and Carmen Acevedo Butcher are joined by Rev. Dr. Otis Moss III. Together, they explore what it means to live with vision in times of struggle—when the path is unclear, but the call to truth and love remains strong. Drawing from his book Dancing in the Darkness, Dr. Moss reflects on the experience of being Black and faithful in America, and how reclaiming the radical tradition of love—rooted in justice and courage—can liberate both the oppressed and the oppressor.
Connect with us:
Have a question you'd like Brian or Carmen to answer about this season?
Email us: [email protected]
Send us a voicemail: cac.org/voicemail
Resources:
The transcript for this episode can be found here.
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