Researcher and entrepreneur Sarah Houseman shares insights from her PhD research into new governance systems in not for profit organisations. Looking at the lived experiences and practices of four non-hierarchical NGOs, we explore questions like "How we can see our organisations as systems?" and "How can we participate differently and unlearn dominative behaviours that have previously been rewarded in hierarchical organisations?" (The companies featured in her research are: Friends of the Earth Melbourne, Sustainable Economies Law Centre, The Pachamama Alliance and The Enspiral Foundation.) How to follow Sarah: Twitter: @housemansp More resources: Sarah's blog Enspiral's website Friends of the Earth Melbourne's website Sustainable Economies Law Centre's website The Pachamama Alliance's website If you enjoyed this episode, you might enjoy episode 19 with Simon Mont on why changing the structures of our organisations isn't enough.

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