David Swanson, pastor of New Community Covenant Church, joins Rob and Jes on this episode of JUST. David is the author of “Rediscipling the White Church”, and also serves as the CEO of New Community Outreach, a non-profit organization working to reduce causes of trauma and raise opportunities for equity in Chicago.0:00 Episode starts 1:30 Jes’s check in4:08 Rob’s check in6:02 David joins the conversation7:09 Rob gives some background on David10:00 How did David come to care about issues of justice and race?13:24 Jes asks David to define and explain the title of his book15:22 David describes three assumptions or tools that white organizations often use when addressing inequity18:35 David acknowledges that there are many people against diversity, but he believes there is a large group that genuinely wants diversity and doesn’t know how to get there20:24 Rob asks how the increased awareness of injustice impacts David’s book and message21:35 The gravity of race is with those of us who are white23:38 Interlude24:05 Jes asks for some examples of how David’s church has been successful in cultivating diversity25:08 Connecting discipleship with racial justice, instead of viewing it as ministry26:09 David tells a story about two pastors who developed a fusion friendship that changed their churches29:41 A relationship isn’t evidence of fixing injustice, it’s an ecosystem from which to work30:57 Rob asks David for personal examples of fusion friendships that shaped his life33:10 David shares his relationship with one of his mentors34:39 Jes calls for the show up moment36:15 David reframes to “what do I need to do to become more trustworthy to my friends and neighbors of color?”39:23 Jes asks if there’s a network or high-level organization to coordinate this change40:00 Rob gets “voluntold” to start the network42:23 Jes calls for galvanization of racial reconciliation work44:07 Rob thanks David for joining the show44:54 David leaves the conversation44:58 Debrief begins, Jes’s takeaways45:47 Rob’s takeaways50:19 Goodbyes and outroThank you to DJ Pdogg and Producer Lo Key for our awesome music throughout the show!Follow DJ Pdogg online:www.djpdogg.comTwitterInstagramFollow Producer Lo KeyInstagramOur sponsors:ReCity NetworkCoastal Credit UnionOur hosts:Jes Averhart, cofounder of Black Wallstreet HomecomingRob Shields, executive director of the Recity Network.Our Producer:Ben Azevedo, owner of Bear Cave AudioOur EditorChris Pappalardo

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