Iain McGilchrist calls William Blake “the least cosy of poets and one of the most insightful that ever lived.” Blake is cited more often than most figures in Iain’s great book, "The Matter With Things".So what did Blake express that might much matter now? How did he understand key features of our humanity such as the imagination and inspiration, as well as the character of our day?In this conversation, prompted by the publication of "Awake!", Iain and Mark often land on wonderful quotes of Blake to unpack them. ”To the eyes of the man of imagination, nature is imagination itself.” “As a man is, so he sees.” "If the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear to man as it is: infinite."They explore Blakean imagery such as the spiral shape of Jacob’s Ladder. Contemporary concerns are central too, from architecture to AI. Above all, they celebrate Blake as a figure who can guide our desires, aid us with the contraries of modern life, and sustain our faith that life is good, for all the ills that surround us.For more on Iain’s work - https://channelmcgilchrist.comFor more on Mark’s work - https://www.markvernon.comMark’s new book on William Blake is “Awake! William Blake and the Power of the Imagination” - https://www.markvernon.com/books/awake-william-blake-and-the-power-of-the-imagination0:00 No-one has imagination!05:27 The narrowing of imagination08:36 Fantasy and uncoupling11:55 The misenchantment of the world13:08 Place, space and architecture16:26 Spiritually aware consumerism19:43 The glowing presence of infinity21:13 Cleansing the doors of perception24:38 Speaking from the outside in26:38 The failure of empathy and need for the sacred31:24 Primary connection not separation33:10 Blake’s orthodoxy34:37 Jacob’s Ladder as a spiral38:12 The good can hold the bad39:55 Data, memory and AI42:33 Memory that inspires45:44 The enlivening of ritual48:10 Blake on divine science53:37 The character of things and insights57:17 Distinctions without difference59:28 Illuminating Blake and Dante

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