A couple of years back, Martin Shaw had a visionary experience that led him to Christianity. We talked about it as the Mossy face of Christ - https://youtu.be/8luN8bDDRBs?si=c7jHUt-Ih5xKlVWqSo it was great to talk again about what's been happening. Which is much. The conversation ranges over what might be happening now with Christianity, Martin's recent participation in the Symbolic World Summit, the strangeness, weirdness and terror of Christ, being in the world but not of it, and the importance of myths, stories and fairytales.We mentioned Martin's new course The Skin-Boat and the Star as a practical manifestation of what has been happening for him. For more on that see here - https://schoolofmyth.com/five-weekend-programme/For more on Mark's work see - https://www.markvernon.com0:00 The reviving of interest in Christianity2:53 Report from the Symbolic World Summit6:53 Christ, fairytales and reconnecting with the source14:21 How to keep Christianity strange21:33 From ideas to encounter24:11 Being in the world but not of the world29:08 Passions of the soul and Rowan Williams37:38 Knowing stories and inhabiting stories43:48 From persona to presence47:56 Good fruits not good works49:26 Martin's new course and the imaginative edge52:44 What puts people off Christianity?54:01 Proxies for the Spirit58:17 Limits and more, growth and depth01:04:21 Romanticism coming of age01:12:13 Jonathan Pageau, Malcolm Guite, Iain McGilchrist and others on the new course

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