We have found that having an outside pair of eyes and ears, specifically those of a trained psychologist, continues to help both Mom and I through challenging sections of life. When things have become really rocky in our mom-daughter relationship, it is usually a sign that we each need to take a harder look at ourselves individually. Therapists help us do that. Here is our story about the first time Mom and I went through some therapy both together and individually and the way it bettered us. We also discuss the importance of having friends who act as "outside" eyes and help us take the perspective of another person. We offer gratitude to Madeline Levine, Ph.D., researcher, and author of The Price of Privilege, referenced in this episode.

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