I'm joined by Lorie VanOngevalle, Executive Director of Friends of Cross Bar, for a conversation rooted in fresh air, open spaces, and the joy of being outdoors. Lorie shares her path to a life spent outside — how she found her way into this work and why expanding access to public lands matters so deeply to her. As an outdoorsy woman working to make it easier for people to experience and enjoy the land around them, Lorie brings both passion and practicality to the conversation. This episode is fun, thoughtful, and a great reminder of why our outdoor spaces are worth cherishing, protecting, and actually using. Whether you love hiking, camping, ranch roads, or just being outside whenever you can, this conversation will make you want to step outdoors and look around a little more intentionally.  

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