South African music journalist, Helen Herimbi sits down with UK-based South African singer-songwriter, DemiMa at The Nest Space, Johannesburg.

They talk about self care, connecting to the earth, embracing being different, conscious frequencies in sound, liberation and love songs, singing in Zulu, growing up in Durban and being the granddaughter of creative maverick, Pinky Mseleku.

They also discuss stepping on stage with Bheki Mseleku, the pressure of legacy, the freedom women seek in a patriarchal world, collaborating with Kid X, friends who have become family, her EP, ALT.FRQNC and more.

Thank you to The Nest Space for hosting us.

Sound design: Kitso Moremi for #SNAPSbyKITSO

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