Nobel Peace Prize laureate Professor Tilman Ruff has spent decades campaigning for nuclear disarmament, and right now he's worried.With Donald Trump announcing the US will re-start nuclear testing and Russia saying it’ll follow suit, a lot of experts are seeing signs that humanity is dangerously close to a nuclear Armageddon.So does Professor Ruff agree?And what would all-out nuclear war actually look like?In this longer interview cut for the hack podcast, Tilman Ruff answers these and more questions, sketching out how a nuclear war could start, how fast things might spiral out of control, and whether there’s still time for us to step back from the brink.Guests:Dr Tilman Ruff, Nobel laureate and Co-President, International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear WarGet the whole story from hack:Follow us on Instagram and TikTokSubscribe to the hack podcastListen on the triple j app or on your radio live every weeknight at 5:30pmCreditsDave Marchese, Presenter

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